Your Questions About Morality And Law Uk

Daniel asks…

Christians of R&S? I invite you to respond to my challenge of your concept of an omnipotent God? Do you dare??

OK tough question for you Christians and other Monotheists if you dare address it???

btw…If you liked my question on the alleged superiority of Christian morality then you should like this one too!!

OK so I will claim that your concept of God is inconsistent with humanity’s desire and the greater good of humanity. Because belief in God is belief in a totalitarian dictatorial regime of the utmost brutality and injustice…

A very general concern of us modern day humans is that we are rightly much worried about enormous concentrations of power…. e.g. take modern government. It is a fear about power that is very much behind the way modernity has constructed and maintained a threefold separation of power… a division into the legislative, the administrative and judicial. In regards the economic sphere we have a range of laws together with government agencies to prevent companies or groups of companies gaining complete monopoly over the market. Given these and other concerns about power the very notion of God’s utterly unlimited sheer power can very readily be oppressive and so make us disinclined to desire such a God in the first place.

Futher more:

There is a quote that captures this sentiment from British Philosopher Rees:

“This something is more powerful (whatever this means) than anything else: so that you would not have been conceived or born at all but for the operation of Something, and Something might wipe out the existence of everything at any time? Would this convey to someone any sense of the wonder and glory of God? Would they not be justified if they answered, ”What a horrible idea! Like a Frankenstein without limits, so that you cannot escape it. The most ghastly nightmare!”

My two cents added:

Suppose that God is real and for my blasphemy I am sentenced to eternal damnation in hell and suffering in the most brutal fashion… How does this punishment fit my crime… no matter what one does… how can eternal hell be justified as a form of punishment…

I mean we are talking about eternal hell… nothing about our sense of justice or punishment could be so aberrant and disguisting.

Your thoughts???

GRRRRRRRRRR….”Rush Rees”

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=pnpcHMkO8ScC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=What+a+horrible+idea!+Like+a+Frankenstein+without+limits,+so+that+you+cannot+escape+it.+The+most+ghastly+nightmare!%E2%80%9D&source=web&ots=WXZvhxUhJZ&sig=neKTDHe0ZerclaBMWLbvH0YKcp8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

You are an exception to other Xians Sky,.. of course you are also an exception to many others too! Isn’t being unique soooooooo cool?!
Hey Sky! Interesting references… had a quick browse but will have a proper read when i get some time…

btw.. you caught my attention with the Richard joyce review on Rees… cos Richard is a very good contemporary Australian philosopher.. a lot of my studies have been based on his field… I’ve met him once and communicated with him through email a few times already.

*sigh* Those damned Yahoo vigilantes blocked this Q from the main board…..at least you’re here to keep me company and grace me with your presence and “Christian” music… very nice!
Hey Sky check this out!

Can you play like this???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNc5o9TU0t0&feature=related

Pip answers:

A quick run down of my thoughts:
Who alleges that Christian morality is superior? My church has never claimed that, and neither have I. There are many ethical, virtuous people in the world who aren’t Christians. ~ Humanity’s desire is to prosper, and I think for the most part we have. We’re living longer than ever before and global population is at it’s all time highest. I’m not sweeping all the horrors of the world under the rug, but I’m saying that humanity’s desire is to persevere and we have. God hasn’t annihilated us. ~ We have free will to chose whether we want to believe in God; we are not forced to. I know about Nietzsche’s theory on the will to power, but I don’t believe that having faith strips you of your power in any way… I don’t see him as an evil dictator at all, and I don’t understand how atheists can because the whole point of atheism is that you don’t believe he is real, and you can’t be angry at someone who doesn’t exist. The opposite of love isn’t hate, after all, it’s apathy. ~ I know this is contradictory to what most Christians believe, but I actually don’t think there is a burning hell, I think death for a non believer is just…death. Darkness, finality, eternal separation from God, but if you never believed in him anyway, then……you’re not going to miss him. I so totally would, though.

Alrighty…..so that’s about as deep as my thoughts can go whilst riding a smelly bus after spending a day taking exams that drained my brain.
Who is Rees? Will you send me a link for him please? (Yes, Mr. Crankypants I tried Wiki and Google, but it’s too common of a name.) Thx.

Just in case you hate everything I wrote above and are now cranky, here’s something to turn the frown upside down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjK6wNIWzts

~ Pax

EDIT
Rush Rhees was kinda cool, and I never would have known about him otherwise, sooooooo….THX. I’ve done a bit of reading on him this morning & think he’s intriguing. His father, who was also named Rush Rhees, wrote a book titled “Jesus of Nazareth” and was a Harvard-educated Baptist minister, professor at the U. O Rochester and author.
The younger Rush Rhees was a bit of a badass who got kicked out of philosophy class for being “insolent,” moved to the UK and became a Wiggenstein scholar & professor when he was in his 40s. His papers on morality are really interesting. Ok, I know you aren’t going to like the source of the 1st link, but you might want to read the article if you have the time because it’s insightful.

Seriously, Methuselah, thx. : )

Your reward:

Sorry…..this was the only video for the song

EDIT 2
Frawesome……
I WISH I played like that. Holy smokes. Thx for sharing.
This is what I’m working on right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACf2-N32Kg&feature=related

Donald asks…

Whats it called when someone believes in a god but doesn’t believe he has anything to do with us.?

Agnostic doesn’t really fit that description does it?

Pip answers:

You describe deism. Here’s a quote from the book below which tells you more about deism:

“The World Union of Deists (slogans: ‘God gave us reason not religion’ and ‘In nature’s God we trust’) define their beliefs as follows: ‘Deism is the recognition of a universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organised religions of having received special divine revelation.’

Mainstream deism arose during the Age of Enlightenment in the seventeenth to eighteenth centuries, especially in the UK, USA and France. It flourished for a time among disaffected Christians who were unhappy with orthodox beliefs about such things as the Trinity, miracles and the inerrancy of Scripture, but who nevertheless still believe in one God. Although there were other luminaries in the history of deism, the movement was popularized by British radical and American revolutionary Thomas Paine (1737 – 1809). His book The age of reason quite rightly attacked corruption in organized religion and the efforts of the Christian Church to acquire political power, but it went much further. Elevating reason above revelation, Paine rejected miracles and viewed the Bible as ordinary literature lacking divine inspiration – arguing instead for natural religion and a creator who could be known through reason alone.

Deism’s rejection of ‘revealed religion’ allows deists to explain the conflicting claims of such religions in terms of their all being false – a handy generalization which fails to consider that in real life counterfeit objects only proliferate when there is some valuable genuine article to imitate. It also avoids the embarrassment of individuals being personally answerable to God (man’s relationship with God is said to be ‘transpersonal’) and, like atheism, practises a morality based on reason.
Overall, the predominant theme in deism is reliance on human reason rather than on divine revelation or the intrinsic mind or nature of God (which, says deism, is inaccessible to man). Reason alone, therefore, is the final court of appeal and thus becomes the real ‘God’ that deism worships. In that respect, and in spite of vigorous denials, deism is a soul-mate of atheism. The only difference is that ‘deism teaches that the creator is knowable and discoverable through the creation itself’. Strangely, deism appears to teach that while God is ‘discoverable’ by reason (you can work out that he exists), he is ‘knowable’ experientially only through mystical ‘spirituality’ – not by any rational communion between God and man.”

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